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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

I like to think of the history of rock & roll like the origin of Greek drama."

Jim Morrison

"There is a story of a reporter who came up to Jim Morrison after he had recorded 'Dionysus': 'Mr. Morrison, are you trying to copy Dionysus?'

"Morrison's reply: 'No. I AM Dionysus.'"

Miguel Conner

Christopher Knowles's The Secret History of Rock N' Roll is a hit. When I first read the book's premise, which is that the musical genre of "rock and roll" is significantly based on and related to ancient Posted Imagemystery cults, I thought, "Interesting angle--I'm waiting to be convinced." As a scholar of ancient religion and mythology, I could sense where Knowles was going but I had not seen the specifics of his viewpoint. Cutting to the chase: Christopher presents an intriguing case for his unusual observations and thesis. Because of his scholarly research, which I found illuminating, and of his clear and concise writing style, Knowles's argument is convincing. I'm not sure every last detail represents precisely how this fascinating development may have occurred-such a feat would be impossible to accomplish-but overall the hypothesis appears to be sound. Logical enough, in fact, that one is tempted to slap one's forehead and exclaim, "Doh! Why didn't I think of that?"

Basically, Knowles's premise is that rock and roll's secret history represents "the startling evolution of rock music itself and how it has acted as an outlet for deep memetic currents that were once thought to have been consigned to history." (94) In a nutshell, rock and roll is a renewed expression of the deeply rooted ancient mysteries, such as those of Orpheus, Cybele and Attis, Isis, Mithra, the Druids, and so on. Summarizing the similarities between these religious rites and rock, Knowles remarks:

What did the Mysteries offer that other cults of the time did not? Almost exactly what rock 'n' roll would, thousands of years later. Drink. Drugs. Sex. Loud music. Wild pyrotechnics. A feeling of transcendence-leaving your mind and your body and entering a different world, filled with mystery and danger. A personal connection to something deep, strange, and impossibly timeless. An opportunity to escape the grinding monotony of daily life and break all the rules of polite society. A place to dress up in wild costumes and dance and drink and trip all night. (6)

What Knowles essentially describes could be deemed an "ancient rave," loud music and drugs included.

Posted ImageIn his quest, Christopher's citation of ancient authorities such as Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo and Plutarch demonstrates evidence of his thesis from ancient times, putting together many important elements from the mystery schools and doctrines. The abundant use of these ancient voices gives the thesis a certain degree of credibility, while to establish a concrete link we need to factor in modern voices within not only the music industry but also the disciplines of cultural anthropology and psychology, among others-a study that could produce an unwieldy amount of data. Fortunately, Christopher Knowles has a knack of distilling down large quantities of material, making it accessible and interesting to the average reader.


Christianity's Rise
As part of his analysis, Knowles discusses the role of Christianity in the religious traditions and mysteries transmitted to us in modern rituals and rites of passage. In this regard, I found his depiction of the gospel story to be puzzlingly literal, especially in consideration of my own work, with which Christopher is familiar, and of the knowledge that the mysteries-which share so much in common with Christianity-do not revolve around a literal, historical godman. Nevertheless, I appreciated his frank account of the later rise of the Christian faith under Constantine, during which time "any bishops or clergymen who disagreed with the prevailing orthodoxy were tortured, exiled, or beheaded-sometimes all three." (59)

As further concerns the violent imposition of Christianity upon the peoples of the Roman Empire, Knowles writes (60):

"Starting in 389, Theodosius issued what are now known as the 'Theodosian Decrees,' where he banished all pagan holidays, outlawed blood sacrifice, banned pagan statues, and ordered the seizure of temple lands by the church. Theodosius also authorized the destruction of pagan landmarks like the Serapeum. Christian bishops led mobs on murderous rampages against pagans, Gnostics, and dissenting Christian factions all across the Empire. In 391, Theodosius extinguished the eternal fire in the Temple of Vesta and had the Virgins disbanded. Witchcraft and divination were outlawed. The Olympian games were abolished in 393. Thousands of texts were gathered up and destroyed. Scribes were forbidden to copy pagan texts on pain of amputation or death."

This section immediately caused me to think about what we are currently seeing in the rise of Islam globally, as a much-dreaded possible return to the Dark Ages-Inquisition, torture, witch-burnings, genocide and all.

In considering the premise of a religion-rock connection vis-à-vis Christianity, I was reminded of a conversation I had many years ago with my dear friend, author Jess Stearn, an Edgar Cayce expert who had been called the "Grandfather of the New Age" but who was nonetheless a devoted Christian. After raising up the issue of Indian yogis and the like, an exasperated Jess asked me, "What do young people get out of these gurus that they can't get out of Jesus?"

I smiled and replied, "Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll!" Jess chuckled and nodded his head in concession.


Nature Worship and Astrotheology
Posted ImageThe gods of antiquity were recipients of the kind of adoration and adulation reserved in modern times for politicians and other celebs, including and especially rock stars in their heyday. In fleshing out this comparison, the phrase "rock and roll gods" takes on a whole new meaning, particularly when we look at the esoteric significance of the ancient myths and mysteries. As Knowles points out, the myths and mysteries were often based on nature worship, including the observations of the seasons, which also incorporated what is known as "astrotheology," i.e., the reverence of the sun, moon, planets, stars and constellations.

As a freethinker who nonetheless appreciates many religious and spiritual concepts, especially those dating back thousands of years that express nature worship and astrotheology, I found myself thinking that many rockers and revelers could use a dose of the spirituality desired by their ancient counterparts. Perhaps knowing the facts in The Secret History of Rock 'N' Roll could imbue more meaning and create greater enlightenment in their fêting, rather than it simply serving as an exercise in wasteful hedonism and megalomania. At least, not all the time-but that's the beauty of the mysteries: You get to express your rebellion without feeling high and dry the rest of the time. Or at least not dry-and probably still a bit hung over. But the most meaningful rock experiences are like those of the mysteries and come from deeper thinkers, some of whom Knowles discusses briefly.


Entheogens/Psychedelics
Along the way, naturally, we also find discussion of the "drugs" part of "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll," with a comparison between the rampant psychedelic drug experimentation of the modern era and the evidently fairly common consumption of similar "entheogens" ("God-generating" chemicals) in antiquity, especially in mystery school initiations.

In fact, Knowles provides a thorough summary of the use of such mysterious sacraments, which are thought to constitute various psychoactive substances, depending on the time and place.


Transmission of the Mysteries
Describing events in the line of the mysteries' transmission to America, Knowles traces their influence from Egypt to the Yorubans in Africa, who then became American slaves, introducing voodoo and creating what is known as Santeria. (72) He also shows how the Druidic or Celtic mysteries may have been preserved through Masons and indentured servants from the British Isles.

Posted ImageAnother interesting tie-in that validates Knowles's premise is the role of Jungian godly archetypes, as a number of musicians openly acknowledged their indebtedness to renowned psychotherapist Carl Jung for inspiration, including the Beatles, Peter Gabriel and the Police. (77) Although Knowles does not focus on the work of Joseph Campbell, one would not be surprised if the esteemed mythologist likewise has been influential on rock music, as he certainly has been on general pop culture and social iconography, most evidently in the form of the "Star Wars" movies and books, demonstrating the connection between ancient and modern mythology.




I found this review and thought it was worth sharing since this is what Jim tried to convey in his performances, songs and poetry. There is more to this review and it can be googled. Having trouble with the link ....... sounds like an interesting book. I wonder if anyone here has read it?
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:54 PM

Interesting post!- Thank you.

It could be very interesting to verify the story about Norrison proclaiming to be Dionysus.

I do believe that rock´n´roll- the origin of the phrase gives a hint- is a liberation of the body from the mind. - Rock´n´roll is a sexual revolution, primarily a female one.

I don´t know when the body was separated from the mind in western civilisation?- Maybe during medieval times? Before the separation man wasn´t ashamed of the body. In ancent Rome, people went to the lavatory in public places. Nex to each other. I don´t think we´ve come full circle in that regard.

Anorexia, bulimia and cutting is a sort of entrapment of the body. You are afraid of the body.

But, confronting dualism is a BIG part of Morrison and his very strongest trait:

"There you sit
All by yourself.
Everybody's dancing,
Cannot help themselves.

Come on girl,
Get that groove.
You know baby,
Like to see you move, child."

"We have been metamorphosised from a mad
body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes
staring in the dark."
we´s just joy-ridin´

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:34 AM

I like to think of the history of rock & roll like the origin of Greek drama."

Jim Morrison

"There is a story of a reporter who came up to Jim Morrison after he had recorded 'Dionysus': 'Mr. Morrison, are you trying to copy Dionysus?'

"Morrison's reply: 'No. I AM Dionysus.'"

Miguel Conner

Christopher Knowles's The Secret History of Rock N' Roll is a hit. When I first read the book's premise, which is that the musical genre of "rock and roll" is significantly based on and related to ancient Posted Imagemystery cults, I thought, "Interesting angle--I'm waiting to be convinced." As a scholar of ancient religion and mythology, I could sense where Knowles was going but I had not seen the specifics of his viewpoint. Cutting to the chase: Christopher presents an intriguing case for his unusual observations and thesis. Because of his scholarly research, which I found illuminating, and of his clear and concise writing style, Knowles's argument is convincing. I'm not sure every last detail represents precisely how this fascinating development may have occurred-such a feat would be impossible to accomplish-but overall the hypothesis appears to be sound. Logical enough, in fact, that one is tempted to slap one's forehead and exclaim, "Doh! Why didn't I think of that?"

Basically, Knowles's premise is that rock and roll's secret history represents "the startling evolution of rock music itself and how it has acted as an outlet for deep memetic currents that were once thought to have been consigned to history." (94) In a nutshell, rock and roll is a renewed expression of the deeply rooted ancient mysteries, such as those of Orpheus, Cybele and Attis, Isis, Mithra, the Druids, and so on. Summarizing the similarities between these religious rites and rock, Knowles remarks:

What did the Mysteries offer that other cults of the time did not? Almost exactly what rock 'n' roll would, thousands of years later. Drink. Drugs. Sex. Loud music. Wild pyrotechnics. A feeling of transcendence-leaving your mind and your body and entering a different world, filled with mystery and danger. A personal connection to something deep, strange, and impossibly timeless. An opportunity to escape the grinding monotony of daily life and break all the rules of polite society. A place to dress up in wild costumes and dance and drink and trip all night. (6)

What Knowles essentially describes could be deemed an "ancient rave," loud music and drugs included.

Posted ImageIn his quest, Christopher's citation of ancient authorities such as Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo and Plutarch demonstrates evidence of his thesis from ancient times, putting together many important elements from the mystery schools and doctrines. The abundant use of these ancient voices gives the thesis a certain degree of credibility, while to establish a concrete link we need to factor in modern voices within not only the music industry but also the disciplines of cultural anthropology and psychology, among others-a study that could produce an unwieldy amount of data. Fortunately, Christopher Knowles has a knack of distilling down large quantities of material, making it accessible and interesting to the average reader.


Christianity's Rise
As part of his analysis, Knowles discusses the role of Christianity in the religious traditions and mysteries transmitted to us in modern rituals and rites of passage. In this regard, I found his depiction of the gospel story to be puzzlingly literal, especially in consideration of my own work, with which Christopher is familiar, and of the knowledge that the mysteries-which share so much in common with Christianity-do not revolve around a literal, historical godman. Nevertheless, I appreciated his frank account of the later rise of the Christian faith under Constantine, during which time "any bishops or clergymen who disagreed with the prevailing orthodoxy were tortured, exiled, or beheaded-sometimes all three." (59)

As further concerns the violent imposition of Christianity upon the peoples of the Roman Empire, Knowles writes (60):

"Starting in 389, Theodosius issued what are now known as the 'Theodosian Decrees,' where he banished all pagan holidays, outlawed blood sacrifice, banned pagan statues, and ordered the seizure of temple lands by the church. Theodosius also authorized the destruction of pagan landmarks like the Serapeum. Christian bishops led mobs on murderous rampages against pagans, Gnostics, and dissenting Christian factions all across the Empire. In 391, Theodosius extinguished the eternal fire in the Temple of Vesta and had the Virgins disbanded. Witchcraft and divination were outlawed. The Olympian games were abolished in 393. Thousands of texts were gathered up and destroyed. Scribes were forbidden to copy pagan texts on pain of amputation or death."

This section immediately caused me to think about what we are currently seeing in the rise of Islam globally, as a much-dreaded possible return to the Dark Ages-Inquisition, torture, witch-burnings, genocide and all.

In considering the premise of a religion-rock connection vis-à-vis Christianity, I was reminded of a conversation I had many years ago with my dear friend, author Jess Stearn, an Edgar Cayce expert who had been called the "Grandfather of the New Age" but who was nonetheless a devoted Christian. After raising up the issue of Indian yogis and the like, an exasperated Jess asked me, "What do young people get out of these gurus that they can't get out of Jesus?"

I smiled and replied, "Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll!" Jess chuckled and nodded his head in concession.


Nature Worship and Astrotheology
Posted ImageThe gods of antiquity were recipients of the kind of adoration and adulation reserved in modern times for politicians and other celebs, including and especially rock stars in their heyday. In fleshing out this comparison, the phrase "rock and roll gods" takes on a whole new meaning, particularly when we look at the esoteric significance of the ancient myths and mysteries. As Knowles points out, the myths and mysteries were often based on nature worship, including the observations of the seasons, which also incorporated what is known as "astrotheology," i.e., the reverence of the sun, moon, planets, stars and constellations.

As a freethinker who nonetheless appreciates many religious and spiritual concepts, especially those dating back thousands of years that express nature worship and astrotheology, I found myself thinking that many rockers and revelers could use a dose of the spirituality desired by their ancient counterparts. Perhaps knowing the facts in The Secret History of Rock 'N' Roll could imbue more meaning and create greater enlightenment in their fêting, rather than it simply serving as an exercise in wasteful hedonism and megalomania. At least, not all the time-but that's the beauty of the mysteries: You get to express your rebellion without feeling high and dry the rest of the time. Or at least not dry-and probably still a bit hung over. But the most meaningful rock experiences are like those of the mysteries and come from deeper thinkers, some of whom Knowles discusses briefly.


Entheogens/Psychedelics
Along the way, naturally, we also find discussion of the "drugs" part of "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll," with a comparison between the rampant psychedelic drug experimentation of the modern era and the evidently fairly common consumption of similar "entheogens" ("God-generating" chemicals) in antiquity, especially in mystery school initiations.

In fact, Knowles provides a thorough summary of the use of such mysterious sacraments, which are thought to constitute various psychoactive substances, depending on the time and place.


Transmission of the Mysteries
Describing events in the line of the mysteries' transmission to America, Knowles traces their influence from Egypt to the Yorubans in Africa, who then became American slaves, introducing voodoo and creating what is known as Santeria. (72) He also shows how the Druidic or Celtic mysteries may have been preserved through Masons and indentured servants from the British Isles.

Posted ImageAnother interesting tie-in that validates Knowles's premise is the role of Jungian godly archetypes, as a number of musicians openly acknowledged their indebtedness to renowned psychotherapist Carl Jung for inspiration, including the Beatles, Peter Gabriel and the Police. (77) Although Knowles does not focus on the work of Joseph Campbell, one would not be surprised if the esteemed mythologist likewise has been influential on rock music, as he certainly has been on general pop culture and social iconography, most evidently in the form of the "Star Wars" movies and books, demonstrating the connection between ancient and modern mythology.




I found this review and thought it was worth sharing since this is what Jim tried to convey in his performances, songs and poetry. There is more to this review and it can be googled. Having trouble with the link ....... sounds like an interesting book. I wonder if anyone here has read it?

I think Morrison was well read and actually stole some of his lines from other poets... and I thought Elvis started rock * roll? I imagine it was a direct defiance against the norm... ? Yes, I'm Celt; but can't steal
rock * roll from it's founders... as for religion? I thought I told you:
endless argument...

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:13 PM

I think Morrison was well read and actually stole some of his lines from other poets... and I thought Elvis started rock * roll? I imagine it was a direct defiance against the norm... ? Yes, I'm Celt; but can't steal
rock * roll from it's founders... as for religion? I thought I told you:
endless argument...


Well I wouldn´t exactly say Jim stole some of his lines, I rather would think he was influenced by those he admired. It sometimes happens that I read I book I´m sure he also read and there are lines that remind me to some of his lines. It´s always interesting when I can observe that.
...He communicated with emotion, rage, grace, and wisdom. He offered very little in the way of compromise...

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:06 PM

I think Morrison was well read and actually stole some of his lines from other poets... and I thought Elvis started rock * roll? I imagine it was a direct defiance against the norm... ? Yes, I'm Celt; but can't steal
rock * roll from it's founders... as for religion? I thought I told you:

endless argument...



Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:28 PM

Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

From William Blake: Auguries of Innocence


knowing that doesn't, for me, take a thing away from how he sang them.

Peace
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:47 PM

knowing that doesn't, for me, take a thing away from how he sang them.

Peace


..

Edited by Texasky, 18 November 2012 - 06:33 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:56 PM

knowing that doesn't, for me, take a thing away from how he sang them.

Peace


Edited by Texasky, 18 November 2012 - 06:32 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

From William Blake: Auguries of Innocence


J

Edited by Texasky, 18 November 2012 - 06:31 PM.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:25 AM

Dear Texasky, reading any kind of poetry'; even startin' with the basis's ' "to be or not to be" all poets have stolen from them.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:26 AM

even me...

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:44 AM

Hey hi there...Jim didn't take anything away, it clearly became his own..those lines in the song. He was so unique and original in every facet of his life. Even his walk was unlike anyone else.


Hi Tex. Glad you think that, not least because you met. He added something to them - there's some agony there that makes me think of that high school picture.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:53 AM

I like to think of the history of rock & roll like the origin of Greek drama."

Jim Morrison


"There is a story of a reporter who came up to Jim Morrison after he had recorded 'Dionysus': 'Mr. Morrison, are you trying to copy Dionysus?'


"Morrison's reply: 'No. I AM Dionysus.'"


Miguel Conner

Christopher Knowles's The Secret History of Rock N' Roll is a hit. When I first read the book's premise, which is that the musical genre of "rock and roll" is significantly based on and related to ancient Posted Imagemystery cults, I thought, "Interesting angle--I'm waiting to be convinced." As a scholar of ancient religion and mythology, I could sense where Knowles was going but I had not seen the specifics of his viewpoint. Cutting to the chase: Christopher presents an intriguing case for his unusual observations and thesis. Because of his scholarly research, which I found illuminating, and of his clear and concise writing style, Knowles's argument is convincing. I'm not sure every last detail represents precisely how this fascinating development may have occurred-such a feat would be impossible to accomplish-but overall the hypothesis appears to be sound. Logical enough, in fact, that one is tempted to slap one's forehead and exclaim, "Doh! Why didn't I think of that?"

Basically, Knowles's premise is that rock and roll's secret history represents "the startling evolution of rock music itself and how it has acted as an outlet for deep memetic currents that were once thought to have been consigned to history." (94) In a nutshell, rock and roll is a renewed expression of the deeply rooted ancient mysteries, such as those of Orpheus, Cybele and Attis, Isis, Mithra, the Druids, and so on. Summarizing the similarities between these religious rites and rock, Knowles remarks:

What did the Mysteries offer that other cults of the time did not? Almost exactly what rock 'n' roll would, thousands of years later. Drink. Drugs. Sex. Loud music. Wild pyrotechnics. A feeling of transcendence-leaving your mind and your body and entering a different world, filled with mystery and danger. A personal connection to something deep, strange, and impossibly timeless. An opportunity to escape the grinding monotony of daily life and break all the rules of polite society. A place to dress up in wild costumes and dance and drink and trip all night. (6)

What Knowles essentially describes could be deemed an "ancient rave," loud music and drugs included.

Posted ImageIn his quest, Christopher's citation of ancient authorities such as Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo and Plutarch demonstrates evidence of his thesis from ancient times, putting together many important elements from the mystery schools and doctrines. The abundant use of these ancient voices gives the thesis a certain degree of credibility, while to establish a concrete link we need to factor in modern voices within not only the music industry but also the disciplines of cultural anthropology and psychology, among others-a study that could produce an unwieldy amount of data. Fortunately, Christopher Knowles has a knack of distilling down large quantities of material, making it accessible and interesting to the average reader.


Christianity's Rise
As part of his analysis, Knowles discusses the role of Christianity in the religious traditions and mysteries transmitted to us in modern rituals and rites of passage. In this regard, I found his depiction of the gospel story to be puzzlingly literal, especially in consideration of my own work, with which Christopher is familiar, and of the knowledge that the mysteries-which share so much in common with Christianity-do not revolve around a literal, historical godman. Nevertheless, I appreciated his frank account of the later rise of the Christian faith under Constantine, during which time "any bishops or clergymen who disagreed with the prevailing orthodoxy were tortured, exiled, or beheaded-sometimes all three." (59)

As further concerns the violent imposition of Christianity upon the peoples of the Roman Empire, Knowles writes (60):

"Starting in 389, Theodosius issued what are now known as the 'Theodosian Decrees,' where he banished all pagan holidays, outlawed blood sacrifice, banned pagan statues, and ordered the seizure of temple lands by the church. Theodosius also authorized the destruction of pagan landmarks like the Serapeum. Christian bishops led mobs on murderous rampages against pagans, Gnostics, and dissenting Christian factions all across the Empire. In 391, Theodosius extinguished the eternal fire in the Temple of Vesta and had the Virgins disbanded. Witchcraft and divination were outlawed. The Olympian games were abolished in 393. Thousands of texts were gathered up and destroyed. Scribes were forbidden to copy pagan texts on pain of amputation or death."

This section immediately caused me to think about what we are currently seeing in the rise of Islam globally, as a much-dreaded possible return to the Dark Ages-Inquisition, torture, witch-burnings, genocide and all.

In considering the premise of a religion-rock connection vis-à-vis Christianity, I was reminded of a conversation I had many years ago with my dear friend, author Jess Stearn, an Edgar Cayce expert who had been called the "Grandfather of the New Age" but who was nonetheless a devoted Christian. After raising up the issue of Indian yogis and the like, an exasperated Jess asked me, "What do young people get out of these gurus that they can't get out of Jesus?"

I smiled and replied, "Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll!" Jess chuckled and nodded his head in concession.


Nature Worship and Astrotheology
Posted ImageThe gods of antiquity were recipients of the kind of adoration and adulation reserved in modern times for politicians and other celebs, including and especially rock stars in their heyday. In fleshing out this comparison, the phrase "rock and roll gods" takes on a whole new meaning, particularly when we look at the esoteric significance of the ancient myths and mysteries. As Knowles points out, the myths and mysteries were often based on nature worship, including the observations of the seasons, which also incorporated what is known as "astrotheology," i.e., the reverence of the sun, moon, planets, stars and constellations.

As a freethinker who nonetheless appreciates many religious and spiritual concepts, especially those dating back thousands of years that express nature worship and astrotheology, I found myself thinking that many rockers and revelers could use a dose of the spirituality desired by their ancient counterparts. Perhaps knowing the facts in The Secret History of Rock 'N' Roll could imbue more meaning and create greater enlightenment in their fêting, rather than it simply serving as an exercise in wasteful hedonism and megalomania. At least, not all the time-but that's the beauty of the mysteries: You get to express your rebellion without feeling high and dry the rest of the time. Or at least not dry-and probably still a bit hung over. But the most meaningful rock experiences are like those of the mysteries and come from deeper thinkers, some of whom Knowles discusses briefly.


Entheogens/Psychedelics
Along the way, naturally, we also find discussion of the "drugs" part of "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll," with a comparison between the rampant psychedelic drug experimentation of the modern era and the evidently fairly common consumption of similar "entheogens" ("God-generating" chemicals) in antiquity, especially in mystery school initiations.

In fact, Knowles provides a thorough summary of the use of such mysterious sacraments, which are thought to constitute various psychoactive substances, depending on the time and place.


Transmission of the Mysteries
Describing events in the line of the mysteries' transmission to America, Knowles traces their influence from Egypt to the Yorubans in Africa, who then became American slaves, introducing voodoo and creating what is known as Santeria. (72) He also shows how the Druidic or Celtic mysteries may have been preserved through Masons and indentured servants from the British Isles.

Posted ImageAnother interesting tie-in that validates Knowles's premise is the role of Jungian godly archetypes, as a number of musicians openly acknowledged their indebtedness to renowned psychotherapist Carl Jung for inspiration, including the Beatles, Peter Gabriel and the Police. (77) Although Knowles does not focus on the work of Joseph Campbell, one would not be surprised if the esteemed mythologist likewise has been influential on rock music, as he certainly has been on general pop culture and social iconography, most evidently in the form of the "Star Wars" movies and books, demonstrating the connection between ancient and modern mythology.




I found this review and thought it was worth sharing since this is what Jim tried to convey in his performances, songs and poetry. There is more to this review and it can be googled. Having trouble with the link ....... sounds like an interesting book. I wonder if anyone here has read it?


k, i concede, he's stolen my heart...where were we?i believe you believe in the myth of yourself...let's try to simplily things a bit...
*snap outta it*hold on, i'm thinkin'...

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

k, i concede, he's stolen my heart...where were we?i believe you believe in the myth of yourself...let's try to simplily things a bit...
*snap outta it*hold on, i'm thinkin'...



Hey there S, are you kidding...what myth.........at my age reality is a big shock......slaps a person silly. The bare bones of life are rattling a tune.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

Hi Tex. Glad you think that, not least because you met. He added something to them - there's some agony there that makes me think of that high school picture.

Mind how you go.


Hey Flass, thanks for the reply. Not trying to be flip, just lacking better phrasing in my replys. I maybe misunderstanding this post....please bear with me.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:40 PM

k, i concede, he's stolen my heart...where were we?i believe you believe in the myth of yourself...let's try to simplily things a bit...
*snap outta it*hold on, i'm thinkin'...


Hey reread that post ........didn't realize just how much those comments sound like fluff. Need to go out and ride my horse to air out the brain. Ahhhhhh..fresh air.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:51 PM

Hey Flass, thanks for the reply. Not trying to be flip, just lacking better phrasing in my replys. I maybe misunderstanding this post....please bear with me.


No worries, Texasky. Great thread by the way and it would be great to confirm that Jim Morrison claimed to be Dionysus.
No need to edit a thing.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

No worries, Texasky. Great thread by the way and it would be great to confirm that Jim Morrison claimed to be Dionysus.
No need to edit a thing.

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Flash, I googled the quote but nothing came up. Maybe it is out there hiding.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

Me too..... though I find it a quite believable anecdote. Great song. It's all in the performance. The only one of the acetate tracks to make it on to the first album. Wonder if they did it live?

Just thinking on those lyrics; basically Jim added....... "Take the highway..........Take a journey to the bright midnight. Realms of bliss, realms of light"

Are those themes or quotes from the book too?
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

Me too..... though I find it a quite believable anecdote. Great song. It's all in the performance. The only one of the acetate tracks to make it on to the first album. Wonder if they did it live?

Just thinking on those lyrics; basically Jim added....... "Take the highway..........Take a journey to the bright midnight. Realms of bliss, realms of light"

Are those themes or quotes from the book too?


Not quotes but yes, those themes (Night & Light). On some level makes me think of a part in "Tyger" while on another level, maybe Jim found further inspiration for it from 'Auguries of Innocence'.

Every Night & every Morn
Some to Misery are Born.
Every Morn & every Night
Some are Born to sweet Delight.
Some ar Born to sweet Delight,
Some are born to Endless Night.
We are led to Believe a Lie
When we see not Thro' the Eye
Which was Born in a Night to Perish in a Night
When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light.
God Appears & God is Light
To those poor Souls who dwell in the Night,
But does a Human Form Display
To those who Dwell in Realms of day.

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